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Mar 30, 2021 0:25:48 GMT thatgamingasshole said:

Honestly, I have held on to Dweebers so long, and I genuinely still have some feeling it's connected, but the Yo! Noid theory just seems to knit up a lot of the issues with the title. There is a genuine link in the names, you can see how Yo became Yeah Yeah, the I could be an exclamation point, Beebiss may be this weird mistranslation of pizza coming from neither end not grasping what a Noid is and how it's a pizza company mascot. Also to be frank, I think I can present and have shown that SOME kind of outside source, a third party we're not aware of yet, was feeding info about these unfinished/unreleased games to the pawn shops ahead of time. That's still happening today, if you look up the Matrix games or Driver 3 you see that people doing reviews or presales are using outside info from the company to get "exclusivity" out of pure vanity. Which would pretty much explain the bizarre number of unreleased games on TRADE IN lists, I think.

And like I said, I'm still strongly in the Dweebers Party because honestly the timelines and names match. But Yo! Noid seems, based on what I've been researching, to match both in timeline and in the actual name so much more closely. To be honest they both match up in some way, but the fact that Yo! Noid, a game based on a pizza ("beebiss") mascot, would fill in so many of the gaps makes it really stand out for me.

Either way, I'm glad I could throw some oil on the fire ;-)

I still hold on hope that there is just some unknown 90s mascot abomination named Beebis, and the cartridges are hidden away in some gamestop along with the old funcoland sign.

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Mar 30, 2021 1:18:33 GMT co said:

If that happened believe me I would love it, if this turned out to be sitting in plain sight all this time and it really was just some bassackward platformer with a 90's mascot (like Oscar or Bug) then it would make all this even more worth it. And frankly I'd almost want to see what that looked like.

Interesting note, while me and the girlfriend were at a laundromat today, she made an odd suggestion I don't think anyone ever ran with before...everyone assumes that Yeah Yeah Beebiss I literally is three separate words, but maybe Yebee or Yebeer or some variant there of was the actual title and ISSI was some kind of weird code or serial number. Like it may actually be 1551, and the actual title may be Yebeers or something. And if so the actual title may just be Yebeers or Yeeber or something like it, with the rest being a misprinted stock code. And actually that would kind of support the Dweebers connection, since Dweebers could be misinterpreted as Yebeers or something and the ISSI is just a stock number/code. Again, it makes more sense than the Super Pitfall theory.

But the cannabis fueled esoteric dream I had last night makes more sense than "Mr. Bebe" being the hidden secret...

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Fuck I can't use quote properly...that was responding to what Co said, for the record

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Post by thevoiddragon on Apr 1, 2021 14:18:46 GMT

Maybe I'm missing something but with the list something seems off with dates in general. It says that games listed in bold are "coming soon", yet several of them are games that are either not released for years, or are already out by July 1989, when the list is from. Wikipedia says Bionic Commando released in December 1988 for example, or Wrestlemania and Tecmo Baseball on the NES had already released in January and Tecmo Bowl in Februrary, yet are listed in bold as "coming soon". So is the "coming soon" not referring to the release date or have i got something wrong?

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Apr 1, 2021 14:18:46 GMT thevoiddragon said:

Maybe I'm missing something but with the list something seems off with dates in general. It says that games listed in bold are "coming soon", yet several of them are games that are either not released for years, or are already out by July 1989, when the list is from. Wikipedia says Bionic Commando released in December 1988 for example, or Wrestlemania and Tecmo Baseball on the NES had already released in January and Tecmo Bowl in Februrary, yet are listed in bold as "coming soon". So is the "coming soon" not referring to the release date or have i got something wrong?

That's basically what I assume. You see, even today but ESPECIALLY back in the good old days, companies released info or even screenshots, fake or otherwise, prior to release to hype up a game. So it's likely these were dates for unreleased or incomplete which ties up several loose ends. For example, at least two, that I know of, were never released or never localized or released under utterly, wildly different titles...and we have no idea for certain what YYBI is. Which frankly covers both the Yo! Noid theory and the Dweebers theory, depending on which you want to believe, because they're both games that were either released with a completely separate title or never released at all (though I have a feeling Gatherers was what Dweebers became given the similarities). So in essence the fact these games were "coming soon, I guess" instead of actually "coming soon" it explains a LOT about this whole fiasco.

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Also, btw, does anyone think I might add my garbled theory to the actual Wiki article? Because honestly, I think my multi-year research dive counts as much as Super Pitfall.

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Apr 1, 2021 16:39:30 GMT thatgamingasshole said:

Also, btw, does anyone think I might add my garbled theory to the actual Wiki article? Because honestly, I think my multi-year research dive counts as much as Super Pitfall.

I love your passion about this, but I don't think anything else needs to be added to the article unless some solid definitive evidence comes forward, and I think that is unlikely to ever happen.

I've also been researching this for years, to the point where I've sought out and bought multiple copies of the original Beebiss ads. And IMHO, there is no way it was notRai Rai Kyonshis: Baby Kyonshi no Amida Daibouken. While this has always been pretty much my favorite lost media subject, I'm pretty sure this matter is settled.

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Apr 1, 2021 16:39:30 GMT thatgamingasshole said:

Also, btw, does anyone think I might add my garbled theory to the actual Wiki article? Because honestly, I think my multi-year research dive counts as much as Super Pitfall.

I love your passion about this, but I don't think anything else needs to be added to the article unless some solid definitive evidence comes forward, and I think that is unlikely to ever happen.

I've also been researching this for years, to the point where I've sought out and bought multiple copies of the original Beebiss ads. And IMHO, there is no way it was notRai Rai Kyonshis: Baby Kyonshi no Amida Daibouken. While this has always been pretty much my favorite lost media subject, I'm pretty sure this matter is settled.

Tpsfv found both people who started Play It Again, if we find a way to contact them, shouldn't we try? I still think it easily could have been a copyright trap, because nothing disproves that theory except speculation. Honestly, I think my problem with the entirety of YYB1 is that it's all speculation. We don't know if it's Dweebers, Rai Rai, or Yo Noid because there is no smoking gun, just theory.

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Apr 1, 2021 14:18:46 GMT thevoiddragon said:

Maybe I'm missing something but with the list something seems off with dates in general. It says that games listed in bold are "coming soon", yet several of them are games that are either not released for years, or are already out by July 1989, when the list is from. Wikipedia says Bionic Commando released in December 1988 for example, or Wrestlemania and Tecmo Baseball on the NES had already released in January and Tecmo Bowl in Februrary, yet are listed in bold as "coming soon". So is the "coming soon" not referring to the release date or have i got something wrong?

That's also a very good observation, and although the unreleased games have been explained, the released games haven't been. Unless these release dates are reflecting when a game was released in Japan versus the US.

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Apr 1, 2021 16:39:30 GMT thatgamingasshole said:

Also, btw, does anyone think I might add my garbled theory to the actual Wiki article? Because honestly, I think my multi-year research dive counts as much as Super Pitfall.

I love your passion about this, but I don't think anything else needs to be added to the article unless some solid definitive evidence comes forward, and I think that is unlikely to ever happen.

I've also been researching this for years, to the point where I've sought out and bought multiple copies of the original Beebiss ads. And IMHO, there is no way it was notRai Rai Kyonshis: Baby Kyonshi no Amida Daibouken. While this has always been pretty much my favorite lost media subject, I'm pretty sure this matter is settled.

Oh well of course you're going to say that, you have a fucking Rai Rai vampire baby thing for an avatar.

(that's a joke, shush)

But seriously the Rai Rai thing is kind of a reach imo, cause the entire thing is founded on the fact that the name has two words in sequence but the "I" still doesn't fit in there and from what I understand the actual translation is "Come over here" or "Come on, Come on" or some such. I guess Baby could, if horrendously translated, be "Beebe" but...idk...

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Apr 1, 2021 17:13:07 GMT co said:

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Apr 1, 2021 17:03:30 GMT stintergalactic said:

I love your passion about this, but I don't think anything else needs to be added to the article unless some solid definitive evidence comes forward, and I think that is unlikely to ever happen.

I've also been researching this for years, to the point where I've sought out and bought multiple copies of the original Beebiss ads. And IMHO, there is no way it was notRai Rai Kyonshis: Baby Kyonshi no Amida Daibouken. While this has always been pretty much my favorite lost media subject, I'm pretty sure this matter is settled.

Tpsfv found both people who started Play It Again, if we find a way to contact them, shouldn't we try? I still think it easily could have been a copyright trap, because nothing disproves that theory except speculation. Honestly, I think my problem with the entirety of YYB1 is that it's all speculation. We don't know if it's Dweebers, Rai Rai, or Yo Noid because there is no smoking gun, just theory.

Damn straight! I have no idea how to contact anything though, I'm a middle aged Black guy so my computer skills are limited at best, but if at all possible whoever can should try to talk to these people. Granted this is expecting them to remember a video game add from thirty years ago, and they may just be creeped out that anyone noticed it, but yes we have nothing to lose if tpsfv or anyone can.

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Post by LSuperSonicQ on Apr 1, 2021 20:55:28 GMT

Wow this takes me back, I remember Beebiss was one of the first existence unconfirmed mysteries I researched and I got caught up in the hype surrounding it. Since it's been so long I also think it's a good idea to re-examine our theories about it and see what new information we can uncover.

With that said this thread was a great read and it poses a lot of interesting questions, some of which I overlooked in the video. It's been a long time since I first looked over the details and rumors that were going around but I'll give you guys my opinions and we'll see what we can come up with.

Back when I made the video I was pretty convinced it was a copyright trap- not relating to IPs or anything but rather if another game magazine had stolen those lists Play it Again or Funco could have gone after the people that stole it. This is also backed up by the fact that it's not alphabetized in the list as if it was an intentional error. However it does seem unlikely that's the case since these lists were full of inaccuracies like the unreleased games and early titles for others. Also I always assumed the coming soon bolded games meant they were going to be available for purchase from the ads soon- not that their release date was upcoming.

When it comes to Beebiss itself I can respect the theory about Yo! Noid but I'm personally not convinced there's enough evidence to connect the two, especially given how many assumptions would have been made on the part of the translators. The Rai Rai theory has always stuck with me ever since I first heard about it and I believe the fact that it's a power pad games adds to it's credibility as I don't think there are any other power pad games on the list. Either that or there were no power pad games released after 1989, can't remember which of the two scenarios it was.

Even though that's what I believe, that's not to say we have enough proof to confirm it for sure. When I made that video back then I tried to find direct contacts for either Play It Again and Funco but came up empty handed so I would be in favor of contacting someone and getting an answer. Something else to consider is that I've heard rumors the lists weren't actually made by those companies themselves but rather a larger distributor who simpy gave out. This might account for how Beebiss appears on both lists despite Play it Again and Funco having no connection.

I think the moral of the story here is someone, somewhere put together the list and added Beebiss knowing full well it was a game that existed. Whether it was a translation error or an unreleased game or the translation error of an unreleased Japanese game. I'm convinced it's real in one way or the other since all the games on the list are real in the same way. I wanted to believe Beebiss was a game in itself but accepted defeat as more people convinced my otherwise, though now I'm starting to wonder if it really is more than just a translation error.

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Post by Terry the Cat on Apr 2, 2021 5:06:40 GMT

Re: Rai Rai

So I did a little bit of digging and it turns out Rai Rai was the final Family Trainer game released in Japan, and it wasn't the only Family Trainer to not get a North American release. So perhaps Rai Rai was in the process of getting localized when Nintendo pulled the plug on Power Pad/Family Trainer here, and thus, the game never got released.

Also yes, botched translations happened all the time. Probably still do. Yeah, we nowadays would question why on earth someone would translate Rai! Rai! Kyonshis as Yeah Yeah Beebiss I, but at the time, translations weren't exactly logical all the time. And sometimes translators still mess up.

Re: Power Pad/Family Trainer in general

Family Trainer was a series of games published by Bandai for a special peripheral for the NES, which we would come to know as the Power Pad. Ten games of the series were released in Japan, half of those would come over here to the States and even fewer to Europe. In particular, it seems that the games were released rather haphazardly. Games 1-3, and 6-7 were given North American releases, while the others did not, most notably Rai Rai and both of the games based on the Japanese game show Takeshi's Castle, which would only see an aborted attempt at a localization in 1990, before we just gag dubbed the series itself as MXC starting in 2003.

An eleventh game, a game compilation published by Nintendo and not Bandai, was released exclusively in America in 1989 to finish off the Power Pad series.

Re: Yo! Noid

I can see where you're coming from with this one, though I'll have to look further into this to see where I really stand regarding this theory.

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Apr 1, 2021 20:55:28 GMT LSuperSonicQ said:

The Rai Rai theory has always stuck with me ever since I first heard about it and I believe the fact that it's a power pad games adds to it's credibility as I don't think there are any other power pad games on the list. Either that or there were no power pad games released after 1989, can't remember which of the two scenarios it was.

Turns out both statements are true. No Power Pad games appear on any of the ads for the entire eight month span, even though two were released during that span. As well, no Power Pad games were released after November 1989, leaving the possibility that games for the Power Pad were in the process of localization when the plug was pulled on the whole Power Pad concept.

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Post by Terry the Cat on Apr 2, 2021 5:34:30 GMT

Further re: Yo! Noid

I wonder how possible it would be for Play It Again to have ads for selling and buying a game that didn't even release in Japan for another eight months (June 1989 was the first Play it Again ad • January 1990 was the last Funco ad • Kamen no Ninja Hanamaru released in Japan in March 1990) and didn't get its American localization for another eight months after that (Yo! Noid was released in November 1990).

Further re: Rai Rai

Meanwhile, Rai Rai was released in Japan in January 1989, and the very last Power Pad game, the aforementioned game compilation, was released in America in November 1989. It's definitely possible that this was a printing error on the part of Play It Again, where a game which could have seen a release didn't, and neither they nor Funco caught the mistake for the next eight months.

Of course, hurting the Rai Rai theory a bit is the fact that no other Power Pad games appear in any of the ads. No Street Cop, a Power Pad game released in America in June 1989 (the same month as the first ad). No Dance Aerobics (March 1989). No Short Order (the aforementioned compilation, November 1989).

Eight months is quite a theme here isn't it?

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